Immigration Rights Advocates Protest Proposed Laws
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189110,00.html
Let's get a few things straight.
1. You do not have the "right" to immigrate to the
United States anymore than I have the "right"
to set up camp in your front lawn in Mexico City.
2. Illegal immigrants are by definition criminals.
They have broken our immigration laws. If they
can't abide by immigration laws, why should they be
expected to abide by any other law?
3. They want to work hard and pay taxes to support
"their" country. Until you are a citizen, this
country is no more yours than Puerto Rico is mine.
The United States is a nation of laws. Follow law
or stay out. Your understandable desire for a better
life does not trump our laws. In the U.S., you
don't get to pick and choose which laws you want
to follow when it is convenient for you.
All of this said, immigrants who follow our immigration
laws and become legal citizens are welcome in my
book. I'd certainly share a seat with ya at
my local pub.
posted by Robbe Morris at
8:38 PM
12 Comments:
Read your story. You are the perfect example of an immigrant trying to play by the rules. I applaud that. It is unfortunate that you have to jump through so many hoops but there are gazillions of people who want to move here. Some are educated enough to be productive in our society. Most are not. It is often difficult to tell the difference.
Some of the border fences recently constructed in California have been quite effective in keeping out large numbers of illegal immigrants. I really do think a fence is necessary on our southern border and will be effective.
I'd love to see a series of difficult tests and fluency in English for all immigrants. It would certainly add strength to our country.
As for making Mexico a state, I don't think so. Then, we'd get labeled an imperialist once again.
Aside from oil (which we are well on our way to not needing large quantities of), what else do they have that we'd want? A population accustomed to socialism?
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Robbe Morris, at 8:55 AM
D00D,
Puerto Rico isn't a good choice for an example. Puerto Rico is a self-governing commonwealth in association with the United States. It's chief of state is the President of the United
States of America.
I'm not convinced that putting up walls is the way to fix the "immigration problem". There were no walls when my grandparents came here from Russia and Germany, and frankly, I'm happy about that.
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peterbromberg, at 1:47 PM
I suppose Puerto Rico is a bad example but you get the point.
Your grandparents didn't flood the Alaskan border either. I assume they came here legally.
Just because we have walls doesn't mean we should stop allowing immigrants altogether. We just need to ensure that our laws are followed.
The Mexican government is compilicit in this whole ordeal.
If they won't help and the law violators won't stop, there is no other alterntive.
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Robbe Morris, at 2:58 PM
Are the american soldiers in irak legal or illigal imigrants?
did't they breke the current law? even the un law? Did they have a visa to go there? did any of the marines that invaded latin american countries had a visa to go to guatemala,panama, republica dominicana?
actually, almost every american with the exception of native american are some sort of illegal immigrants who broke the law at some point.
The fact that there is the immigration problem just tells you there is something wrong in the world. The need to build walls tells you there is something rotten, and it is the same if we are talking about new mexico or berlin.... ich bin ein tijuaner
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Anonymous, at 10:06 AM
No, the soldiers in Iraq did not break the law. They were enforcing U.N Resolution 1441.
Yes, Mexico does have huge problems. They need to fix them but not at the expense of the United States of America.
There is absolutely no reason that Mexico has to be a borderline 3rd world nation considering its resources.
Its own people have to stand up and fix their own problems.
First step, walk away from Socialism... It never works.
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Robbe Morris, at 10:21 AM
I have two more things to say on the subject:
- Immigration laws from a moral point of view are a softer version of racial laws. In fact they divide human being into categories that are acquired by born. Us citizen – alien somewhat uses the same concept behind white – black or German –Jewish. Nor the alien or the black or the Jewish can change its status easily, and he/she didn’t do anything in order to be “different” from the privileged majority. I rather won’t call a criminal someone who belongs to this underprivileged categories and naively, wrong or not wants to improve his life by living in a country considered at least in the imagination of many people in the world, the best country to live in. In the last centuries the borders of America were open, and waves of immigrants populate the country helping a great deal to its present day prosperity. A person who is desperate enough to try escaping to the us, risking his life imho doesn’t deserve to be called criminal more than someone trying to escape from varsovia ghetto in 1941. Both were against the current law, but the wise man not only knows the law but also knows about morality, Germans knew only about law and that brought them to the catastrophe.
- Why the borders should be closed? It is not liberal at all. The markets and it’s products can travel around the world but not the people. There is something insane about this fact. If Mexico is such a rich country, and the Mexicans for some obscure reason “can’t get their act together”, open borders also will stimulate industrious wasp Americans to immigrate there and use their cultural advantages to build prosperity and finally get out all the potential from those badly managed resources. What is all the fear about? Just to be among different cultures and people? I hope not.
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Anonymous, at 10:02 AM
You miss the point entirely.
American citizens (including past legal immigrants) have passed laws stating that they don't want people coming into their country willy nilly.
Outsiders don't not have the right to simply disregard the laws of this country.
Whether you think open borders is a good idea or not is irrelevant.
The United States of America doesn't want them.
You've highlighted a very serious concern that Americans have with illegal immigrants. They seem to believe that only those laws that are convenient to them should be abided by.
You want to play in our front yard, you play by our rules. If not, take your ball and go home.
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Robbe Morris, at 1:37 PM
An interesting topic, what about supply/demand law ?
Employers of illegal workers are breaking the law and inviting others to do it.
Regards from the US backyard.
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Anonymous, at 9:02 AM
U.S. employers need to be prosecuted and fined.
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Robbe Morris, at 2:51 PM
ask to your dady where he is came from..then you can say ....you are alien too we pay taxes,we no livings in this country from welfare oor food stamp,work hard if you see more ahead your eyes millions and millions lazy people they eat,live ,from the govermenthelp. we don't.thansk" God bles you."
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Anonymous, at 10:36 PM
Again, missed the point entirely.
Illegal immigrants are not entitled to enter the United States just because they want to.
It is great that a large majority of illegal immigrants only break "that" law. Most are great people looking for a better life.
But, they have to follow our immigration laws whether they like them or not. It is not their place to decide which of our laws they will abide by and which ones they won't.
By the way, I have a relative who was in a car accident with an illegal alien. That individual skipped town after the police confirmed he wasn't a U.S. citizen.
My relative was stuck with the bill because there was no way to track down this undocumented individual.
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Robbe Morris, at 8:35 AM
I agree with Rob.. I am a legal resident (not a US citizen), but I would'nt want people from other country run across the border into my nation.
That said, the problem of this enormous capital divide as well as demand & supply remains. How can anyone convince a guy making very little in Mexico to not cross border & do better. Conversely, the demand for cheaper labor in California (& elsewhere) will constantly find ways & means to smuggle people into the country.
I think the solution will need to be twofold: 1. US does need to initiate some sort of temporary worker program (Yes, it is an american problem that their neighboring countries are poor & we'd rather do something about it instead of saying "Let them eat cake") to offer respite & boost to Mexican & other less developed economy, & ensure that at least a valid system exists in place. People can be on a waitlist, take some basic training about living/working in the US & be here for a few years. Their children born here will NOT be granted US citizenship under this program.
2. Offer one time amnesty to people who are already here (They will not go, Govt. can only waste our tax money trying to deport them) & institute massive penalties for any such practice in future.
These two things will ensure that a valid way exists to seek better quality of like & yet a deterrent exists for law breakers.
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